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catbox_9
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|  Subject: Edinson Volquez Sucks  Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:03 pm | |
| Let's hope this loser can fall apart soon. He is currently 8-2 with a 1.32 ERA and 91 K's.
Where the hell did that come from? This guy sucks!
Lincecum is 8-1 with a 2.15 ERA and 83 K's. He ranks 2nd in all 3 triple crown categories while Volquez is first in ERA and K's. They both trail Webb's 11 wins.
BOO VOLQUEZ!
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gdennis59
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:04 pm | |
| Dude, Volquez is good as hell.
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:09 pm | |
| Ryan, that's cruel.
Just because, he's probably Lincey LeRoy's numero uno competitor, doesn't mean he stinks.
He cleary doesn't...I've seen him start before. 
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gdennis59
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:41 pm | |
| Yeah, what she said!
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catbox_9
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:52 am | |
| Volquez goes 4.1 IP, gives up 5 runs, strikes out nobody, and takes the loss  That's the Volquez I've been waiting for. There's a reason his career ERA is close to 4.50.
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gdennis59
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Sun Jun 29, 2008 1:06 pm | |
| He still a good pitcher...
Better ERA than your Lincecum
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catbox_9
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Sun Jun 29, 2008 1:09 pm | |
| | gdennis59 wrote: |
Better ERA than your Lincecum |
Gap is shrinking. Not much of a track record for Volquez either. Prior to this year he was terrible - in 3 separate seasons. The real Volquez will show up soon, especially in that ballpark.
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gdennis59
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:26 pm | |
| Whatever you say, Cat
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catbox_9
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:25 pm | |
| | gdennis59 wrote: | | Whatever you say, Cat |
Well let's have a look...
2005: 14.21 ERA, 2.763 WHIP (to be fair it was only 12.7 IP)
2006: 7.29 ERA, 2.070 WHIP
2007: 4.50 ERA, 1.441 WHIP
2008: 2.08 ERA, 1.208 WHIP
That's quite a drastic change. His K rate is bound to drop off greatly as well.
Here's his year-by-year strikeouts per inning:
2005: 7.74
2006: 4.05
2007: 9.00
2008: 9.97
That's not too drastic a change, but still significant. It's a lot harder to go from 9 to 10 than from say 5 to 6.
Looking at his minor league stats, over 5 seasons his ERA was 3.69 mostly against AA and below.
Compare all that to Lincecum (which I'd be happy to do in the next post if you're still reading) and you'll see Lincecum's numbers have been much more consistent.
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gdennis59
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:20 pm | |
| Lets see em.
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catbox_9
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:39 pm | |
| | gdennis59 wrote: | | Lets see em. |
2007: WHIP of 1.278
2008: WHIP of 1.240
(almost no change whatsoever - over the course of 3 CGs, that's about 1 less baserunner)
K/9IP:
2007: 9.23
2008: 9.35
Again, very little change
BB/9IP:
2007: 4.00
2008: 3.53
About 1 less walk every 2 CGs - not much change.
Now look at his minor league numbers...
WHIP of 0.780 
ERA of 1.00 
In his brief career his stats have improved very slightly whereas those of Volquez went from poor-mediocre to brilliant almost overnight. Volquez had poor minor league stats and those of Lincecum were brilliant.
Very gradual improvement is more likely to stick than a sudden, drastic improvement.
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:44 pm | |
| Volquez definitely doesn't stink like you say he does!
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Charlie Manuel on Durbin's pitching performance on July 4th:
"Durbin was fantastic," Manuel said. "The role he plays in our bullpen is a big one."
Durbin said he learned a valuable lesson from veteran teammate Tom Gordon:
"Whenever you come in, consider it a 2-0 count," Durbin said. "Like you need a strike." |
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gdennis59
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:25 am | |
| I think Volquez will do good the rest of the year, but next year, he will be trashy. Leave him alone for this year though.
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catbox_9
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:27 am | |
| | gdennis59 wrote: | | I think Volquez will do good the rest of the year, but next year, he will be trashy. Leave him alone for this year though. |
 As a young player you'd only expect him to get better over time. I think he'll regress towards the mean as this year continues and improve next year.
And what's with all this love for Volquez? He's not a Tiger or anything nor has he ever been affiliated with them. I've been following Lincecum since he played college at the University of Washington - which plays in the same conference as UCLA where I go to school (I did not see him pitch in college at UCLA though  ). I doubt the people here have been following Volquez since prior to his ML debut especially since he didn't go to college.
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:22 am | |
| No, hes just a good pitcher thats getting trashed, for basically nothing.
The past is the past, let now speak for now, he is outstanding. Besides, I see him pitch a little, and its good. Cuz Cinci is Ohio...
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:32 am | |
| 5.1 IP, 3ER. ERA rises to 2.24 (Lincecum's is 2.38). Only 3 K's and he fails to catch Lincecum there. Lincecum's next start will allow him to increase his lead in K's and if it's good enough he can reclaim best ERA in the NL.
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gdennis59
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:46 pm | |
| You wanna know what would suck? If Lincecum like, tore his rotator cuff like super bad, and had to get career ending surgery.
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:16 pm | |
| | gdennis59 wrote: | | You wanna know what would suck? If Lincecum like, tore his rotator cuff like super bad, and had to get career ending surgery. |
It probably wouldn't be career-ending but it'd suck nonetheless.
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gdennis59
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:28 pm | |
| It would be career ending if he came back and tore it again...
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:57 pm | |
| | gdennis59 wrote: | | It would be career ending if he came back and tore it again... |
Well if he stubs his toe and never returns again that's technically career-ending, too. It just isn't likely.
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:05 pm | |
| Lol. That scenario made me laugh.
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:13 pm | |
|  It would be kind of funny if that happened to someone (not Lincecum though). Jeter maybe?
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:17 pm | |
| No no no, someone, thats supposed to be big and tough. That would be 
Giambi!
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:18 pm | |
| Or just because we all hate him: Jerry Hairston, Jr.
And just cuz I hate him: K-Rod.
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:18 pm | |
| Yeah, any of those 3 guys would work. I can't stand any of them.
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:33 pm | |
| K-Rod is overrated. His team just awards him with more save opps and he has gotten most of the saves. And they were mostly 3 run saves. at least Todd Jones works with small leads and gets saves.
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:00 pm | |
| With all the talk of Uggla for All-Star game LVP we're forgetting about Volquez. Uggla's errors lead to 0 unearned runs. He had 2 chances to score a runner from 3rd with 1 out but didn't costing his team 2 runs. Volquez gave up 2 runs in just an inning of work late in the game snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. You can bet Lincecum would have never done that if he wasn't sick.
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:10 pm | |
| Both Uggla and Volquez Suck!
Great Job! You cost the NL a win
I bet Lincecum was poisoned on purpose
So the AL can win and Big Money Steinbrenner and Mafia Mike Illitch can sell tickets for an extra potential WS game |
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:11 pm | |
| I bet Hairston is beyond this too!
He poisoned Lincecum! |
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| | Subject: Re: Edinson Volquez Sucks Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:13 pm | |
| | gs78 wrote: |
I bet Lincecum was poisoned on purpose
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Russell Martin did it. Martin can't hit Lincecum (then again, who can?) and Martin knows that his division is so bad the Giants, despite being 15 below .500 aren't out of it (they're only 7 back). Zito will probably go from God-awful to bad, Cain will get better (he had a slow start), and Lincecum will be Lincecum. If they can stay within a few games they might pick up a bat and watch out. Martin tried to kill Lincecum but he doesn't die that easily.
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