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laprimamirala Detroit Tiger


 Joined : 29 Oct 2007 Posts : 12284 Location : SE Michigan Favorite Current Tiger(s) : take a guess! Magglio es muy caliente!
 | Subject: Re: Joel Zumaya Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:15 am | |
| On tigers.com they are making a big deal of that picture of Joel drinking from a keg nozzle...
geez old news! _________________ There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971 |
|  | | GoGetEmTigers DTF1 MODERATOR Detroit Tiger


   Age : 49 Joined : 05 Oct 2007 Posts : 21121 Location : Eastern Ohio, near Wheeling WV Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Maggs, Curtis, Inge, Gala, Matt, Clete, Marcus (really all of em!)
 | Subject: Re: Joel Zumaya Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:29 am | |
| Yea, we knew about it before them... we must be a more up to date site!
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|  | | TG Detroit Tiger


 Joined : 05 Oct 2007 Posts : 7189 Location : I'm just a small town girl... Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Maggs and Matt :]
 | Subject: Re: Joel Zumaya Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:41 am | |
| | laprimamirala wrote: | On tigers.com they are making a big deal of that picture of Joel drinking from a keg nozzle...
geez old news! |
Who really cares?!? Let him do what he wants! _________________ Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona. ~ George F. Will |
|  | | mrsrabelo Erie SeaWolf


   Age : 17 Joined : 05 Oct 2007 Posts : 2227 Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Jeff Larish | Fish: Mike Rabelo | Rockie: Jason Grilli | Bullpen catcher: Scott Pickens
 | Subject: Re: Joel Zumaya Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:48 am | |
| | TigersGirl wrote: | | laprimamirala wrote: | On tigers.com they are making a big deal of that picture of Joel drinking from a keg nozzle...
geez old news! |
Who really cares?!? Let him do what he wants! |
Even if we don't let him, he is still going to do it anyways. _________________
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|  | | TG Detroit Tiger


 Joined : 05 Oct 2007 Posts : 7189 Location : I'm just a small town girl... Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Maggs and Matt :]
 | Subject: Re: Joel Zumaya Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:53 am | |
| | mrsrabelo wrote: | | TigersGirl wrote: | | laprimamirala wrote: | On tigers.com they are making a big deal of that picture of Joel drinking from a keg nozzle...
geez old news! |
Who really cares?!? Let him do what he wants! |
Even if we don't let him, he is still going to do it anyways. |
So as least ACT like we don't care.... he'll do it whether we like it or not!  _________________ Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona. ~ George F. Will |
|  | | catbox_9 DTF1 ADMINISTRATOR Detroit Tiger


   Age : 21 Joined : 04 Oct 2007 Posts : 19119 Location : Paso Robles, California Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Curtis Granderson
 | Subject: Re: Joel Zumaya Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:24 am | |
| | mrsrabelo wrote: | | catbox_9 wrote: | | mrsrabelo wrote: | | catbox_9 wrote: | | What a bad sister! And you're so mean to your brother all the time, yet he did nothing wrong! |
I'm a bad sister? My little sister was the one to ruin my ball signed my SCOTT PICKENS, that was cruel.  |
Let me rephrase what I said...
Wow, that was mean of her. What a bad sister she was (at that moment). Your brother is not at all at fault though yet you're always so mean to him and so nice to your sister who apparently ruins your things while your brother most certainly does not. He tries so hard to be a good brother to you yet you're so mean to him. |
Ooh I see, but how did my brother end up in this discussion. If it makes you feel any better, I am mean to my little sister too (or at least that what she says) |
He ended up in the discussion because of my prior knowledge on how your goal in life is to not be nice to him 
That doesn't make it better. Now I feel bad for both of them. They should look up to their big sister for advice and what not, not fear her. _________________ Coming soon: A better signature! |
|  | | gdennis59 Toledo Mud Hen


   Age : 15 Joined : 25 Mar 2008 Posts : 4373 Location : Akron, Ohio Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Todd Jones, Miguel Cabrera, Freddi Dolsi
 | Subject: Re: Joel Zumaya Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:12 am | |
| | GoGetEmTigers wrote: | | Yea, we knew about it before them... we must be a more up to date site! |
Well we dont have all those trolls and Soulrat worshippers, so we can talk about whats up to date. _________________ "Contrary to what everybody else thinks, I still think I can come back and help this team."
Todd Jones on shoulder injury. |
|  | | mrsrabelo Erie SeaWolf


   Age : 17 Joined : 05 Oct 2007 Posts : 2227 Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Jeff Larish | Fish: Mike Rabelo | Rockie: Jason Grilli | Bullpen catcher: Scott Pickens
 | Subject: Re: Joel Zumaya Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:18 am | |
| | catbox_9 wrote: | | mrsrabelo wrote: | | catbox_9 wrote: | | mrsrabelo wrote: | | catbox_9 wrote: | | What a bad sister! And you're so mean to your brother all the time, yet he did nothing wrong! |
I'm a bad sister? My little sister was the one to ruin my ball signed my SCOTT PICKENS, that was cruel.  |
Let me rephrase what I said...
Wow, that was mean of her. What a bad sister she was (at that moment). Your brother is not at all at fault though yet you're always so mean to him and so nice to your sister who apparently ruins your things while your brother most certainly does not. He tries so hard to be a good brother to you yet you're so mean to him. |
Ooh I see, but how did my brother end up in this discussion. If it makes you feel any better, I am mean to my little sister too (or at least that what she says) |
He ended up in the discussion because of my prior knowledge on how your goal in life is to not be nice to him 
That doesn't make it better. Now I feel bad for both of them. They should look up to their big sister for advice and what not, not fear her. |
It's not like I hate them. They just don't think I like them because I am 'mean' when I am trying to babysit them. They are even meaner (is that a word? oh well) to me when I am trying to do my mom a favor and watch them so she can go out shopping, or go to work, stuff like that.
But whatev. _________________
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|  | | TG Detroit Tiger


 Joined : 05 Oct 2007 Posts : 7189 Location : I'm just a small town girl... Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Maggs and Matt :]
 | Subject: Re: Joel Zumaya Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:43 am | |
| | mrsrabelo wrote: |
It's not like I hate them. They just don't think I like them because I am 'mean' when I am trying to babysit them. They are even meaner (is that a word? oh well) to me when I am trying to do my mom a favor and watch them so she can go out shopping, or go to work, stuff like that.
But whatev. |
I was a horrible little sister about 5 years ago. I blamed my brother and sister for EVERYTHING... so they would get in trouble. Now we get along for the most part though.... except my brother and I get into fake fist fights (well, we are seriously punching each other but aren't actually mad) and my mom gets sooo mad. _________________ Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona. ~ George F. Will |
|  | | gdennis59 Toledo Mud Hen


   Age : 15 Joined : 25 Mar 2008 Posts : 4373 Location : Akron, Ohio Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Todd Jones, Miguel Cabrera, Freddi Dolsi
 | Subject: Re: Joel Zumaya Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:42 am | |
| Haha, me and my twin dont fight. We brawl. If one of us gets super pissed off, we either forget about it, or blood is spilled. No matter what, if we get into it, we dont stop until we cant throw any more punches. There is always a blood spill and an apology seesion. (from me to the neighbors, I will never apologize to my brother, and he wont apologize to anyone) But the next day we're cool. Lol _________________ "Contrary to what everybody else thinks, I still think I can come back and help this team."
Todd Jones on shoulder injury. |
|  | | catbox_9 DTF1 ADMINISTRATOR Detroit Tiger


   Age : 21 Joined : 04 Oct 2007 Posts : 19119 Location : Paso Robles, California Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Curtis Granderson
 | Subject: Re: Joel Zumaya Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:25 pm | |
| You have a twin? Fraternal or identical.
On the subject of twins, has anyone here ever met anyone that had a triplet (or quadruplet, etc.)? I haven't and don't know anyone that has met anyone that has. _________________ Coming soon: A better signature! |
|  | | TG Detroit Tiger


 Joined : 05 Oct 2007 Posts : 7189 Location : I'm just a small town girl... Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Maggs and Matt :]
 | Subject: Re: Joel Zumaya Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:41 pm | |
| I know lots of twins... quite a few of my good friends have twins. But I don't know any triplets. _________________ Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona. ~ George F. Will |
|  | | catbox_9 DTF1 ADMINISTRATOR Detroit Tiger


   Age : 21 Joined : 04 Oct 2007 Posts : 19119 Location : Paso Robles, California Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Curtis Granderson
 | Subject: Re: Joel Zumaya Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:08 pm | |
| | TigersGirl wrote: | | I know lots of twins... quite a few of my good friends have twins. But I don't know any triplets. |
I knew it (the last part)! _________________ Coming soon: A better signature! |
|  | | tigersaint Detroit Tiger


   Age : 47 Joined : 05 Oct 2007 Posts : 8876 Location : Other, but I LIKE it here!! Favorite Current Tiger(s) : All of 'em, except the BAD ones!!
 | Subject: Re: Joel Zumaya Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:59 pm | |
| | gdennis59 wrote: | | Haha, me and my twin dont fight. We brawl. If one of us gets super pissed off, we either forget about it, or blood is spilled. No matter what, if we get into it, we dont stop until we cant throw any more punches. There is always a blood spill and an apology seesion. (from me to the neighbors, I will never apologize to my brother, and he wont apologize to anyone) But the next day we're cool. Lol |
How do you guys tell each other apart?? |
|  | | laprimamirala Detroit Tiger


 Joined : 29 Oct 2007 Posts : 12284 Location : SE Michigan Favorite Current Tiger(s) : take a guess! Magglio es muy caliente!
 | Subject: Re: Joel Zumaya Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:00 pm | |
| G is the one with the scratches on his face! (from that bike mauling he got into earlier) _________________ There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971 |
|  | | tigersaint Detroit Tiger


   Age : 47 Joined : 05 Oct 2007 Posts : 8876 Location : Other, but I LIKE it here!! Favorite Current Tiger(s) : All of 'em, except the BAD ones!!
 | Subject: Re: Joel Zumaya Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:07 pm | |
| | laprimamirala wrote: | | G is the one with the scratches on his face! (from that bike mauling he got into earlier) |
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|  | | mrsrabelo Erie SeaWolf


   Age : 17 Joined : 05 Oct 2007 Posts : 2227 Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Jeff Larish | Fish: Mike Rabelo | Rockie: Jason Grilli | Bullpen catcher: Scott Pickens
 | Subject: Re: Joel Zumaya Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:44 pm | |
| | catbox_9 wrote: | You have a twin? Fraternal or identical.
On the subject of twins, has anyone here ever met anyone that had a triplet (or quadruplet, etc.)? I haven't and don't know anyone that has met anyone that has. |
Our neighbors have triplet boys. Man they are everywhere. _________________
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|  | | gdennis59 Toledo Mud Hen


   Age : 15 Joined : 25 Mar 2008 Posts : 4373 Location : Akron, Ohio Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Todd Jones, Miguel Cabrera, Freddi Dolsi
 | Subject: Re: Joel Zumaya Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:25 pm | |
| | catbox_9 wrote: | You have a twin? Fraternal or identical.
On the subject of twins, has anyone here ever met anyone that had a triplet (or quadruplet, etc.)? I haven't and don't know anyone that has met anyone that has. |
We are supposed to be identical but you really can tell that we look more fraternal. _________________ "Contrary to what everybody else thinks, I still think I can come back and help this team."
Todd Jones on shoulder injury. |
|  | | gdennis59 Toledo Mud Hen


   Age : 15 Joined : 25 Mar 2008 Posts : 4373 Location : Akron, Ohio Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Todd Jones, Miguel Cabrera, Freddi Dolsi
 | Subject: Re: Joel Zumaya Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:27 pm | |
| | tigersaint wrote: | | gdennis59 wrote: | | Haha, me and my twin dont fight. We brawl. If one of us gets super pissed off, we either forget about it, or blood is spilled. No matter what, if we get into it, we dont stop until we cant throw any more punches. There is always a blood spill and an apology seesion. (from me to the neighbors, I will never apologize to my brother, and he wont apologize to anyone) But the next day we're cool. Lol |
How do you guys tell each other apart?? |
Anyone can if they met us. 1. He has some bad acne 2. He has more spread out teeth. 3. We dress so differently, you can tell us apart from the clothes we wear. 4. We hang out with totally different people. Mine are better of choice. _________________ "Contrary to what everybody else thinks, I still think I can come back and help this team."
Todd Jones on shoulder injury. |
|  | | TG Detroit Tiger


 Joined : 05 Oct 2007 Posts : 7189 Location : I'm just a small town girl... Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Maggs and Matt :]
 | Subject: Re: Joel Zumaya Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:23 am | |
| Whats your brother's name? _________________ Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona. ~ George F. Will |
|  | | mrsrabelo Erie SeaWolf


   Age : 17 Joined : 05 Oct 2007 Posts : 2227 Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Jeff Larish | Fish: Mike Rabelo | Rockie: Jason Grilli | Bullpen catcher: Scott Pickens
 | Subject: Re: Joel Zumaya Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:02 am | |
| 100 MPH OR BUSTBack from his latest freak injury, Joel Zumaya is throwing gas again for the Tigers. He believes there's magic in those triple digits. But there's danger in them too.  by Eric Adelson Do you believe Joel Zumaya? A lot of people don't. They don't buy the story about his wrecking his throwing shoulder by moving boxes at his parents' house. The Tigers reliever knows all about the doubts, because he spent an afternoon last inter trolling the Internet with his father, Joel Sr., reading the various conspiracy theories. Maybe it was the rumor that Joel Jr., known to family as J.J., fell off a motorcycle. Maybe it was the suggestion that he was injured while having sex on a couch. Maybe it was the theory that an obese woman sat on him. Maybe it was all three crazy notions that made Joel Sr. snap, pulling the laptop cord out of the wall, grabbing the only computer he owned, stomping out to the patio of his Chula Vista, Calif., home and smashing the offending machine onto the concrete. He kicked it over and over, making sure it was dead. "A hundred pieces," he says. Joel Jr. refuses to discuss the injury, but his dad, who saw it happen, has plenty to say. "There's nothing to hide," says the elder Zumaya. "All this bulls--- needs to stop." It's hard not to sympathize with the man who knew J.J. before any of us did, long before he became the flamethrowing phenom who helped resuscitate baseball in the Motor City. But how can we believe Joel Zumaya when his story is so implausible? He grew up poor and couldn't afford to attend baseball camps. (At one point, the Zumayas had to sell their home and stay with relatives.) After he was drafted, in 2002, he stumbled upon a pitching guru named Alan Jaeger, who espoused an eccentric theory about elastic bands and long-tossing. Jaeger worked with Zumaya three times a week for several months, and soon the 11th-round pick became one of the hardest throwers of all time. During spring training in 2006, new Tigers manager Jim Leyland took a chance on Zumaya after seeing him throw only a couple of times, and on Opening Day, Zumaya bounded into the clubhouse claiming he dreamed the Tigers would make the World Series. The team, three years removed from 119 losses, won the AL wild card on the shoulders of Pudge Rodríguez and Magglio Ordoñez and a bunch of no-names and rookies, including Zumaya, the setup man who entered games to "Voodoo Child" and hit 100 on the radar gun so often—233 times in all—that fans stopped watching the action on the field and started eyeing the digital readout on the scoreboard. By October, Detroit street vendors were selling ski hats with "Zoom Zoom" on them, and the rookie had a breathless Wikipedia page, which listed several of his 100 mph pitches while offering this disclaimer: "With no scientific evidence, the true speed of Joel Zumaya's fastball remains a matter of interpretation or perspective." In an ALDS game in the Bronx, Zumaya threw so hard that Alex Rodriguez said he never saw the ball. The Tigers beat the Yankees, swept the Athletics and made the World Series. In the ALCS, Zumaya sustained his first major injury, either by gripping a ball too tightly or by playing Guitar Hero too much—depending on whom you believe. (GM Dave Dombrowski told the Detroit Free Press he suspected Zumaya's wrist and forearm inflammation was a result of strumming rather than pitching.) The rook recovered in time for the Series, but in Game 3 he threw away an easy double-play grounder, one of a litany of errors by Tigers pitchers that cost Detroit a chance to beat the middling Cardinals. Zumaya returned in 2007, struggled with his control and all but ruined his season in early May when he squeezed a bullpen pitch so fiercely that he ruptured a tendon in his middle finger. IN AN ALDS GAME IN THE BRONX, ZUMAYA THREW SO HARD THAT ALEX RODRIGUEZ SAID HE NEVER SAW THE BALL.Then, last fall, he wrecked his shot at his first big payday. Smoke from the San Diego fires was closing in on his parents' house, so Joel went into the attic to remove crates of teammates' signed memorabilia. When one slid and fell, he suffered a Grade 5 tear in his shoulder, requiring joint reconstruction surgery. It was all too bizarre, even for his dad. "Having a kid throwing 102 mph and then having him sitting here at home, it blows your mind," says Joel Sr. "How could this happen?" Fans in the D were asking that question a lot early this season. After trading for Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis in December, the Tigers were the hot pick to win the pennant again—until they quickly went from baseball kings to high-paid clowns in April. And yet, like the 23-year-old pitcher who could be the key to Detroit's second half, the team is hanging around, gathering steam. How fitting that the future of both rides on this question: Does Joel Zumaya believe Joel Zumaya? Maybe not. He didn't buy it when he first touched 100 on the radar gun, back in 2003. He was in Class-A, making a few thousand bucks, facing the Lansing Lugnuts as a member of the West Michigan Whitecaps. He walked off the mound and into the dugout, and a teammate said to him, "You hit 100." Zumaya laughed and replied, "Yeah, right." Nothing had ever come easy for him, so why should baseball? His dad worked in construction, while mom Yvonne worked at Burger King. (Joel Jr., the oldest of three kids, taught himself to pitch with a ball made of electrical tape.) When the construction industry got lean and the family moved in with Joel Sr.'s uncle, J.J. started skipping class at Bonita Vista High to drink and smoke with friends. His mom had to sit with him at lunch to make sure he didn't bolt. "I had lost everything anyway," Joel recalls. He was ready to give up on himself simply because he didn't believe in his own future. That self-destructive thinking returned in 2006, at the height of Zumaya mania, when fans cheered his name in opposing ballparks, and when he could walk into a packed Capital Grille, dressed in Dickies and Vans, without reservations, and get a table right away. He had become a superhero overnight, and he couldn't understand why. "It was kinda freaky," he says now. "I ask myself, Why did this happen?" He chugged Red Bull and espresso in the bullpen, as if they fueled his power. On the mound, his eyes would dart all over the place, and sometimes he returned to the dugout unable to recall anything that had happened. When he struck out A-Rod in the ALDS, Zumaya raced off the field and into the clubhouse to watch himself on the replay, as if to confirm it. In the World Series, after missing most of the ALCS, he became so worried he had lost his fastball that he kept looking at the radar readout in Busch Stadium. He flipped out when he saw speeds in the 80s and low 90s—numbers perhaps manipulated by the home team. After losing Game 4 on a hit by David Eckstein, Zumaya dressed, pulled on a hoodie, hurried out into the street and walked a mile to the team hotel by himself, surrounded by rabid Cards fans reveling in his demise. When he got to his room, he sat on the bed and cried, telling his girlfriend, Rachel Sanchez, "I can't do this anymore." HE HAD BECOME A SUPERHERO OVERNIGHT, AND HE COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY. Zumaya's anxiety over baseball was spilling into his personal life. "I would bring it home with me," he says. "It's still something I'm trying to change." (He and Sanchez went to counseling before getting married last year.) Even when Zumaya would go fishing—his one chance to relax—it was hard to leave the game behind. He once cast his line so violently that catcher Mike Rabelo fell out of the boat and into a gator-infested pond. (  I  Mike!) Last year, Zumaya reported to spring training with a fresh tattoo, a tribal symbol for health, to accompany the flames licking his arms. He said he had honed his off-speed stuff and wasn't consumed by speed anymore. But six months later, on Aug. 21, the night he came back from his freak finger injury, he downed five Red Bulls, took the mound to roars from the Comerica Park crowd and threw nothing but gas, turning to check his speed just to make sure he still had it. Classic Zumaya. He's unable to act like he's been there before, mostly because he can't quite believe he was. He'll veer from absolute certainty to total uncertainty—explosion to implosion—in one inning. Which is tricky business for a guy who makes his living as a late-inning reliever. While he rehabbed his shoulder last winter, Zumaya cut off communication with his teammates, knowing that his absence had made the Tigers' bullpen the weak link on a seemingly superior teamthat much weaker. Once again, he gave up on himself. Once again, he came back anyway. Once again, pictures surfaced on the web. This time they were shots of Zumaya doing a keg stand at a spring training party, which fueled fans' ire in the blogosphere. "My son is an outgoing person," says Joel Sr. "He likes to make friends. Maybe that's what gets him all this attention." Time and again, young Joel will act like someone who discovers a million dollar skill and assumes karma is coming to collect payment. "What would I do without baseball?" he wonders. He is 30 pounds lighter now, down to 230, and looks a little less like a WWE villain. He still has a monster truck with the Michigan license plate "Zoom 54," but he doesn't want to talk about his youthful indiscretions anymore. "It gets old," he says. "I'm moving forward." His younger brother, Rich, a Rookie League righthander, is in the Tigers system now, and Joel wants to be in the bullpen when little bro makes it to the bigs. When Zumaya saw Leyland in spring training, he got a hug from the skipper, and was touched enough to get a photo of the embrace and install it as the screen saver on his laptop. "This makes me feel like I'm back and part of it," he told bullpen catcher Scott Pickens. Finally, on June 20, Zumaya returned to a major league mound, and after just a few appearances Leyland said he "looked like his old self." In early July, the manager even floated the idea of putting Zumaya in the rotation next season, following the path of Yankees phenom Joba Chamberlain. It sounds logical: Zumaya has the stuff, and he was a starter in the minors. On the other hand, it would give him four days to sit and stew over a poor outing. So it could be a spectacular success or a total disaster. But that's Joel Zumaya. And that's next year. Right now, he's interested only in the present. He's young, still craving approval, still planning to save the Tigers this season—still throwing 100. If you can believe that.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's a really neat article, except Joel and Rachel aren't married yet. They are getting married next year. _________________
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   Age : 21 Joined : 04 Oct 2007 Posts : 19119 Location : Paso Robles, California Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Curtis Granderson
 | Subject: Re: Joel Zumaya Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:49 am | |
| Poor computer 
Must be nice to be able to ruin computers just for the hell of it. Actually, no it wouldn't be. I'd cry if I smashed my computer to bits even if $10,000 popped out of it - all that stuff on there! _________________ Coming soon: A better signature! |
|  | | GoGetEmTigers DTF1 MODERATOR Detroit Tiger


   Age : 49 Joined : 05 Oct 2007 Posts : 21121 Location : Eastern Ohio, near Wheeling WV Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Maggs, Curtis, Inge, Gala, Matt, Clete, Marcus (really all of em!)
 | Subject: Re: Joel Zumaya Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:13 pm | |
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07/27/2008 7:48 PM ET Rodney to close; setback for Zumaya Jones out as closer after two-plus seasons for Tigers By Jason Beck / MLB.com
DETROIT -- Fernando Rodney is the new closer, but Todd Jones could still conceivably need to close on Monday.
A closing change that manager Jim Leyland actually made on Saturday came to fruition on Sunday, when Rodney took over the Tigers' closing duties. It wasn't a save situation, because he entered in the eighth for an injured Joel Zumaya. Still, by holding onto a 6-4 win over the White Sox, it accomplished the task.
Unfortunately, it took him 42 pitches to do it, leaving his availability as well, as well as Zumaya's, in question for Monday's series opener in Cleveland. If neither can go, it could leave the Tigers needing to make a roster move for another arm and needing Jones in the ninth inning.
"I'm concerned about it," Leyland said. "I can't have guys sitting around that can't pitch. We're at the situation where we can't do that now."
The flip side, of course, is that they can't run out Zumaya and Rodney to the point where they're injured again. Detroit endured the first third of the season without either of them -- Zumaya coming off shoulder surgery and Rodney battling shoulder soreness that nearly led to surgery. With this weekend's move, they've ascended to the late-inning combination they've been expected to eventually form.
"That's a gold mine, [Zumaya] and Rodney," Leyland said. "I can't take a chance on getting those guys hurt, I just can't do it. But if you can't pitch, you have to have somebody to pitch."
Leyland didn't make an announcement about the closer change until the Tigers' radio pregame show on Sunday afternoon. The situation didn't come up Saturday night because the Tigers never had a save situation.
Asked after Sunday's game if Rodney was now his closer, Leyland said, "I don't know if he's going to be able to close [Monday] night. I'm going to give Rodney a shot. That situation was all taken care of yesterday. I was going to plan to tinker around with Rodney and Zumaya a little bit for a while."
Either Rodney or Zumaya was expected to take over for Jones eventually, though not necessarily this year. It was a point of discussion near the end of last season, when the Tigers were having discussions with Jones on a new contract. Zumaya's offseason injury scuttled those ideas.
This, however, was a midseason change borne out of recent performance. Jones has been Detroit's closer for two and a half seasons ever since signing with the Tigers as a free agent prior to the 2006 season. He has racked up 93 saves in 108 chances during that span, including 18 out of 21 opportunities this year to boost his team record to 235 and his career total to 319, 14th on the all-time Major League list.
Yet Jones has struggled over the last month. When Jermaine Dye's two-run homer pulled the White Sox ahead with two outs in the ninth inning Friday, it marked Jones' third blown save in seven opportunities since June 28. He has given up 15 hits over 9 1/3 innings in that span, and opponents are hitting .375 with a 1.013 OPS against him in the last month.
"I am 40," Jones said, "We knew this day had to come sometime. I don't like it, but I live with it, because I respect the man that told me. That's just the way it goes. I've set up and closed and done it all in the bullpen. This is also part of being down there, taking the good with the bad and the ups with the downs."
Asked how hard the news was to take, Jones briefly choked up.
"I was [surprised]," Jones said earlier, "but I'm a big boy. I'm a pro."
Asked what role Jones will fill now, Leyland wasn't specific.
"He'll pitch when we call him to pitch," Leyland said. "He's a total professional. We had a wonderful conversation. He handled it like the entire pro he is. And let's not anybody forget what an unbelievable job this guy has done for 2 1/2 years. But we're not throwing Todd Jones under the bus.
"Right now, I have to make tough decisions. I have to make decisions that I think are in the best interests of the ballclub, and I think right now it's the best interests to try somebody else for a while. It doesn't mean he won't close again."
Rodney has experience as the Tigers' closer, most recently for the first two months of the 2006 season while Jones was on the disabled list. He has 21 career saves in parts of six Major League seasons, all with Detroit.
Rodney struggled mightily with his command upon his return from the disabled list last month, but has recently settled down. His run allowed on Sunday ended a stretch of five scoreless outings. He has allowed four earned runs on seven hits in 15 1/3 innings over 13 outings since June 24, walking seven and striking out 15. Opponents have struggled to catch up to a fastball that now tops out at 99 mph.
"My arm is very good now, very strong," Rodney said.
Like Jones, Rodney said he was surprised when Leyland told him of the move on Saturday. But he also thinks it could help him.
"It's a little bit different for me," Rodney said.
How quickly he and Zumaya can bounce back will make a difference, too. Zumaya said he had been feeling the triceps tightness for the last few days, but that it worsened to the point where it affected his performance Sunday. After retiring the side in order on five pitches in the seventh, he walked the leadoff man in the eighth before Orlando Cabrera flew out on a first-pitch fastball. Head athletic trainer Kevin Rand came out after that, and Zumaya left the game without any warmup tosses.
"I've been throwing, and it gradually spasmed up," Zumaya said.
The Tigers listed Zumaya as day-to-day but don't think the injury is serious. That's not much consolation for Zumaya, who was clearly frustrated after the game.
"I'm very frustrated right now," he said. "Very frustrated. I've been through a lot, and being set back again, it frustrates me a lot. I've been on the shelf, and it gets old being on the shelf."
Jason Beck is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.
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| 07/29/2008 8:15 PM ET Zumaya's tightness caused by curve Reliever will keep throwing offspeed pitch to set up fastball By Jason Beck / MLB.com
CLEVELAND -- Joel Zumaya's triceps tightness now appears to be over. He was available on Monday, if needed, and the same stood for Tuesday. It was a minor irritation, but also a minor quandary.
Tigers manager Jim Leyland said again Tuesday that throwing curveballs seems to have been the cause of the tightness. Zumaya, however, needs to throw his curveball with some regularity in order to give hitters something to think about, besides sitting on his triple-digit fastball.
Whatever the cause, it isn't expected to linger.
"I don't think there's any form of injury here at all," Leyland said. "He's been checked out. I don't see anything at all that's a worry."
Zumaya said he has put some snap on his curveballs with extension, but that it wasn't really an injury so much as tightness. If it was an injury, he said, he would've felt the pain on his fastballs and he wouldn't have been throwing as hard as he was. His velocity seemed to be slightly down on his fastballs on Sunday, but as he suggested, just because he isn't throwing 100 mph doesn't mean he's hurt.
One possible reason Leyland theorized was the fact that Zumaya is still barely a month back in the big leagues and didn't necessarily have to throw many curveballs on his way through rehab.
"He's not having trouble where you would think the curveball would give you trouble," Leyland said. "It's almost like it's just cramping up on him. Who knows? He probably hasn't thrown many curveballs, for one thing. He came back on rehab throwing a lot of fastballs, trying to strengthen the arm, pitching one inning or so at a time."
Zumaya knows he's going to have to mix his pitches to be effective, especially to start off an at-bat. He has noticed opponents jumping at first-pitch fastballs. This tightness won't change that, and he'll continue to throw curves. He has been throwing more of those pitches on the side, he said, which might be a contributing factor. Zumaya said team medical staff has also looked into dehydration, given the recent hot summer weather. After leaving Sunday's game, they encouraged him to drink more water, not only during the games, but also away from the ballpark. It's an easy reminder to get away from, he pointed out, when relievers are sitting in the bullpen for innings at a time in the heat before getting to work on warming up.
Whatever the reason, it isn't expected to linger.
"I'm fine," Zumaya said. "I wasn't even hurt. It was tightness, and they didn't want to make it worse."
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| 09/12/2008 8:10 PM ET Zumaya has stress fracture in shoulder Diagnosis puts an end to season for Tigers relief pitcher By Jason Beck / MLB.com
CHICAGO -- Any question about whether Joel Zumaya would pitch again this season was answered Thursday, when the Tigers reliever was diagnosed with a stress fracture in his right shoulder.
It's the latest piece of bad medical news in what has been two rough years for Detroit's hard-throwing right-hander ever since he burst onto the big league scene in 2006.
Zumaya missed the first 2 1/2 months of the season after surgery last fall to repair the AC joint in his throwing shoulder. He made 21 appearances out of the bullpen with mixed results before the team decided to rest him in mid-August with what was termed a sore right shoulder.
Zumaya had been on a throwing program to try to ease the shoulder back to full strength. However, the 23-year-old woke up Thursday with discomfort in the shoulder, according to head athletic trainer Kevin Rand. Zumaya was sent to team physician Stephen Lemos, who diagnosed the stress fracture of the right coracoid, a bone in the front of the shoulder from which several muscles attach.
It's a rare injury for a baseball player, and it's uncertain whether it's related to the equally rare shoulder surgery from last fall. Zumaya also missed half of last season after rupturing a tendon in his right middle finger while warming up in the bullpen during a game at Kansas City, but that was a different injury.
Whatever the case, this latest injury was not sudden.
"It's something that happened over the course of time from throwing," Rand said.
Likewise, it will not be a quick healing process. The rehab timeframe calls for Zumaya to avoid any baseball activity for six to eight weeks before starting a rehab program. That seemingly would put him on track to be ready for next spring.
"He's got to let it heal," Rand said.
Zumaya's season ends with an 0-2 record and a 3.47 ERA. He struck out 22 and walked 22 while allowing 24 hits over 23 1/3 innings.
When healthy, Zumaya is a major presence in the late innings for the Tigers. He was seen as a potential closer at the end of last season, when the team wasn't sure whether free agent Todd Jones would re-sign. Zumaya's shoulder injury during an accident at home in San Diego ensured Jones would be the unquestioned closer, but Jones' own injury woes this year have left Fernando Rodney in the role for the last two months.
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