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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:12 pm
msgol wrote:
I remember Tram as a player, and he was a good ss...nice guy.
So then, you're from "MY" generation?
tigersaint Detroit Tiger
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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:12 pm
Alan Trammell, HOF neglected!!
GoGetEmTigers DTF1 MODERATOR Detroit Tiger
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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:28 pm
Glad there are at least 3 of us, on this team site, that were old enough to SEE these greats actually play!
tigersaint Detroit Tiger
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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:15 am
OLD PEOPLE ROCK!!
msgol New York Yankee
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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:04 pm
tigersaint wrote:
Alan Trammell, HOF neglected!!
Definitely HOF neglected! So I guess we are the same generation. Wow! Pretty cool!
GoGetEmTigers DTF1 MODERATOR Detroit Tiger
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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:39 pm
And the bad part is, Kenny Rogers is not too much younger than me, yet we are the Old ones!
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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:55 pm
gogetemtigers wrote:
Glad there are at least 3 of us, on this team site, that were old enough to SEE these greats actually play!
I SAW Tram play He was my hero :<3: :<3:
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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:33 pm
msgol wrote:
tigersaint wrote:
Alan Trammell, HOF neglected!!
Definitely HOF neglected! So I guess we are the same generation. Wow! Pretty cool!
I always KNEW there was something I liked about you......besides the TIGER thing!!
tigersaint Detroit Tiger
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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:34 pm
gogetemtigers wrote:
And the bad part is, Kenny Rogers is not too much younger than me, yet we are the Old ones!
I'm right there WITH ya, my friend!!
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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:37 am
tigersaint wrote:
msgol wrote:
tigersaint wrote:
Alan Trammell, HOF neglected!!
Definitely HOF neglected! So I guess we are the same generation. Wow! Pretty cool!
I always KNEW there was something I liked about you......besides the TIGER thing!!
tigersaint Detroit Tiger
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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:52 am
msgol wrote:
tigersaint wrote:
msgol wrote:
tigersaint wrote:
Alan Trammell, HOF neglected!!
Definitely HOF neglected! So I guess we are the same generation. Wow! Pretty cool!
I always KNEW there was something I liked about you......besides the TIGER thing!!
awwwww.....
msgol New York Yankee
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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:36 pm
why, thank you!
tigersaint Detroit Tiger
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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:27 pm
Anytime.......
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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Fri May 30, 2008 8:36 pm
Bring Back Tram
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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Sat May 31, 2008 3:58 am
YES!!!
But there is a big problem. He did not kiss Dumbbroski's ass. And when Tramm wanted to make a certain call on something, the big shots over ruled him. (fudge, young anyone?)
Of course if I was Tramm I would tell the Tigers to shove it, but he is a nice guy, and I am not.
They treated him like dirt. They had him and his staff work on these young guys, no credit and boom, out they go. Sprinkle a Rogers in here and there and boom, Lungcancer is a baseball god.
austin _________________
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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Sat May 31, 2008 8:41 am
Dombowski sucks!
He was the one who made the decision to cancel the Yankees game.
Moron!
He is a Po
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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Sat May 31, 2008 8:58 pm
Send him packing too
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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Sat May 31, 2008 8:58 pm
Where have you gone 2006 Tigers?
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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Sat May 31, 2008 8:58 pm
I miss that wonderful team
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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:40 pm
Maybe time is becoming more merciful for Alan Trammell's legacy. Whether it comes soon enough to help his chances at the Hall of Fame is another question.
Seven years into his candidacy for the Hall, Trammell seemed mired down the list of candidates as far as percentages. After back-to-back years of increasing vote totals, he was selected on just 13.4 percent of ballots in 2007, his lowest mark ever. In short, Trammell appeared set in history as half of one of the greatest double-play tandems to play the game, and one of the most recognizable faces for one of the greatest single-season teams in recent history, rather than one of the greatest shortstops of his generation.
"Maybe people are looking at us as not exactly superstars, but a team," Trammell said a few years ago. "That's the way we were taught and that's the way we played every day."
Then came last year and an impressive jump. With 18.2 percent of voters selecting him, he had the highest total of his career.
He'll need a lot more before Cooperstown becomes a legitimate consideration. But there's at least hope that the change in momentum marks a larger change in consideration for where Trammell ranks among the game's great shortstops.
His spot in Tigers history is unquestioned.
The Tigers certainly were hoping for greatness from him when they drafted the scrawny athlete out of high school in the second round in 1976. A year later, he was in the Major Leagues, a September callup at age 19, sent to Detroit to change up the middle infield. Fittingly, he made his big league debut on the same exact date as his second baseman, Lou Whitaker, and they recorded their first Major League hits that day.
Together, they'd be teammates for 1,918 games, more than any other duo in American League history. They led the AL in double plays as rookies in 1978, merely the start of their accomplishments. Whitaker won the American League Rookie of the Year that season, with Trammell finishing fourth largely on his defense.
Trammell steadily progressed as a hitter until he earned the first of six All-Star selections on his way to a .300 average and 65 RBIs in 1980. His offensive production dropped in the strike-shortened 1981 season then plummeted in 1982, when he entered the All-Star break barely hitting above the Mendoza Line. He hit better than .300 in the second half, and he later pointed to that as when he really emerged as a hitter.
Trammell earned AL Comeback Player of the Year honors in 1983, but it was the Tigers' championship run in '84 that cemented his place in history. After returning to the All-Star Game for the first time in four years, he was at his best in October. He tripled, homered and drove in three runs in the AL Championship Series, then tied a five-game World Series record with nine hits. His two home runs accounted for all four runs scored in a 4-2 win over the Padres in Game 4, moving Detroit to within a win of its first world title since 1968.
Not surprisingly, Trammell was named World Series MVP that year. More shocking was the season he had in 1987. Shifting from second to cleanup in the order with Lance Parrish gone, Trammell obliterated all of his offensive standards, batting .343 with 205 hits, 28 homers, 105 RBIs and 109 runs scored. Only a 47-homer season from Toronto's George Bell kept Trammell from the AL MVP, the first controversial snub of his career.
That earned Trammell the first of his three Silver Slugger Awards in a four-year span. Only two Hall of Fame shortstops, Ernie Banks and Robin Yount, hit more home runs than Trammell's 185 career long balls.
But his bat never overshadowed his glove. He won four Gold Gloves in a five-year stretch from 1980-84 before Tony Fernandez and later Omar Vizquel put a stranglehold on the award. When Trammell retired in 1996, his .977 fielding percentage was higher than any Hall of Fame shortstop at the time.
"He didn't have the flash that Ozzie Smith did, but he was an excellent defensive player, day in and day out, over the course of his career," Hall of Fame broadcaster Ernie Harwell said. "I can't think of anyone else I'd want the ball hit to with the game on the line."
That explains in part why it was a bitter pill for many Tigers fans when Trammell fell far short of Hall of Fame induction in 2001, the year Smith made it in. Trammell's candidacy has struggled to find traction ever since.
His place in history will probably be as part of a tandem rather than on his own merits. But he's fine with that.
"I actually enjoyed that it was both of us," Trammell said, "that it was Lou and Tram. That really hasn't happened in the history of baseball. We were a long-running double-play combination and we went about the way of business that was our way. Maybe we didn't get recognized, but that's not what we played for. We were taught the game the right way. We were very happy. But to be known as that kind of duo is very special. Nobody can take that away."
Jason Beck is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.
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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Sun Jan 04, 2009 4:15 am
and he did a great stint on Magnum PI!!! _________________ There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Sun Jan 04, 2009 4:33 am
laprimamirala wrote:
and he did a great stint on Magnum PI!!!
Yep, we have it!
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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:09 am
What is he doing now--still with the Cubs or did they let him go? _________________ There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:46 am
laprimamirala wrote:
What is he doing now--still with the Cubs or did they let him go?
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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:29 am
I'm just glad he can still be involved with the game. _________________ There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Mon Jan 05, 2009 8:29 am
I still him
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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:26 am
HI SOUL!!!! _________________ There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
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Subject: Re: Alan Trammell Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:47 am