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PostSubject: Trade winds are starting to blow   Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:53 am

Trade winds are starting to blow
Momentum building toward July 31 non-waiver trade deadline


With Major League Baseball approaching the halfway mark of the 2008 season, those gentle trade winds of late June could soon be blowing fiercely in July.
The July 31 non-waiver trade deadline looms as a major talking point over the next several weeks. Do you know where your favorite players are?

The bluffing and posturing could soon give way to wheeling and dealing as the buyers separate themselves from the sellers and front-office officials go forth with a telephone by their side and a mission to either make the playoffs this year or acquire pieces that will enable them to do so in the long term.



Here's some of the early scuttlebutt from clubs in both leagues as the momentum builds toward this year's trading deadline.

Phillies: The Phillies have grand visions of a deep playoff run and would like to fortify their starting rotation. C.C. Sabathia, Erik Bedard, Bronson Arroyo, Greg Maddux and A.J. Burnett are being discussed as possible trade bait, and Philadelphia could go after any of those established names.

The question is whether the Phillies would offer enough value to reel in a big-name starter. Shane Victorino, Jayson Werth and Kyle Kendrick are controllable players who aren't breaking the bank. Top prospects Carlos Carrasco and Lou Marson would draw plenty of attention, but would Philadelphia part with them for short-term help?

Other prospects who are farther away include Adrian Cardenas, Dominic Brown and Greg Golson.

Yankees: Pitching is certainly a concern, with Chien-Ming Wang, Ian Kennedy and Phil Hughes going down. Thus the Yankees are on the hunt for starters.

Just how much New York might be willing to sacrifice won't fully be known until general manager Brian Cashman evaluates an upcoming stretch against the Mets, Rangers, Red Sox and Rays.

If the Yankees are right in the race after the next few weeks, they might be willing to use the farm system as a bigger bargaining chip to lure a rotation innings-eater.

Nationals: A few weeks ago, GM Jim Bowden sounded a warning for those who might think Washington is ready for a fire sale.

"We are not here to tear down," Bowden said.

Maybe not, but the Nationals have to have their eyes on the long-term future as they look up from the bottom of the National League East. Look for Felipe Lopez and Paul Lo Duca to be shopped.

Lopez is scheduled to be a free agent after this season, and the Nats might eat part of his $4.9 million contract if they can find the right fit on the trade market. There has been speculation that the Cubs might be interested in him.

Lo Duca has become expendable because of the emergence of Jesus Flores. Right-hander Tim Redding might also draw some attention on the trade market.

Mets: Now that the club has inched back into striking position under interim manager Jerry Manuel, the Mets are looking to hold steady and possibly acquire rather than sell.

The anticipated June 27 return of Ryan Church would create a glut of outfielders, but none would become expendable until the return of Moises Alou.

The Mets may look for a right-handed-hitting first baseman with defensive skills to take away some of Carlos Delgado's workload. In addition, the club could look to upgrade its pitching. If New York could acquire a multi-inning reliever, that might enable Claudio Vargas to move into the starting rotation.

Tigers: In the suspect American League Central, the Tigers weren't buried by their woeful start. Consequently, they may not use the trade deadline to shed expensive pieces of their $135 million payroll.

If the Tigers are to surge from last place to first place in the division, there's a pressing need to bolster the starting pitching in the wake of Jeremy Bonderman's injury. Detroit could get experienced starting pitching quickly if it was inclined to give up top prospect Rick Porcello, but Porcello is said to be off-limits.

Marketable prospects the Tigers might part with include middle infielders Cale Iorg and Michael Hollimon.

If the Tigers should reverse gears and fall out of the race, veteran catcher Ivan Rodriguez could go. Rodriguez is in the final year of his deal.


Reds: The Reds can barely see the Cubs in the NL Central at this point, and they have veterans who could prove intriguing to contending clubs.

The power of an Adam Dunn or a Ken Griffey Jr. might prompt GM Walt Jocketty's phone to ring often. Ryan Freel and Arroyo are other Reds' veterans who could have the value to bring significant young talent back into the Cincinnati organization.

Cubs: The Cubs don't seem to lack much at this point, but they would be selective buyers. Chicago could dangle outfielder Matt Murton and a cluster of prospects who have earned favorable reviews. Sabathia won't see his name associated with the Cubs unless Chicago could convince the Tribe to lower its demands for the lefty.

White Sox: A left-handed hitter with speed could top Chicago's wish list, but the White Sox don't have much to give up after GM Kenny Williams did most of his talent-accumulation work in the offseason. The White Sox might be inclined to shop utility infielder Juan Uribe. Look for this team to be minor buyers, if anything.

Pirates: Outfielders Xavier Nady and Jason Bay can expect to see their names constantly floated. Nady would be the most likely to go, as he has one more arbitration-eligible season. Left-hander Damaso Marte is also expected to draw substantial interest, as he's one of the best against lefty hitters.

Mariners: Seattle is definitely selling after a miserable first half. The prime chip is Bedard. The Mariners paid a dear price to get him, and the deal hasn't worked out, but some contending club might find Bedard particularly enticing in the heat of a pennant race.

Richie Sexson and Jose Vidro are also available if there are takers. Catching is a strength in the organization, but Kenji Johjima just signed a three-year, $24 million deal.

Twins: The Twins originally thought this would be a rebuilding year, but they find themselves right in the AL Central race. Possible trade pieces include Livan Hernandez, Mike Lamb and, perhaps, Boof Bonser.

Indians: Sabathia will be the key player to watch as the trade deadline approaches. He's a free agent after 2009, and he broke off contract negotiations with the Tribe at the start of Spring Training.

If the Indians flounder in the next few weeks, they might consider moving Paul Byrd or Casey Blake. But if they are in the race, they'll look to bolster a sagging bullpen.

Athletics: Sabathia's name has been linked to the A's, partially because he's a Bay Area product.

Oakland could look to deal closer Huston Street and starter Joe Blanton, as both are arbitration-eligible. Joey Devine or Santiago Casilla could assume Street's closer duties, and Gio Gonzalez or Chad Gaudin could take a rotation spot if Blanton were to be dealt.

Marlins: The Marlins will look to acquire if they continue to be a factor in the NL East. The club wants catching and bullpen help, and Lo Duca is on its radar.

Rays: The Rays could deal for an upgrade in right field and might be able to sacrifice some pitching to accomplish that mission.

If prize prospect David Price comes up, Andy Sonnanstine or Edwin Jackson could be bumped from the rotation and used as trade bait. Jason Hammel could also be shopped.

Braves: Atlanta may want to bolster its outfield by going after Freel.

The club has resisted making a panic trade with Mark Teixeira, even though there has been no indication it will be able to sign Teixeira before he can test the free agent market. The Braves might keep Teixeira all year, offer him arbitration and take Draft picks as compensation.

Royals: With a glut of middle infielders, the club could shop veteran second baseman Mark Grudzielanek. Although he has been slowed at times by a sore back, Grudzielanek is having another solid season both at the plate and in the field.

Right-hander Gil Meche has a no-trade clause to go with his $11 million salary and says that he isn't interested in going anywhere. The Royals would want a king's ransom for right-hander Zack Greinke and a lot for outfielder David DeJesus.

Giants: The Giants will look to sell as part of their rebuilding project. Ray Durham, Randy Winn, Tyler Walker and Jake Taschner could be at the forefront of the trade buzz. Some think that Winn would be a good fourth outfielder for a club geared toward the playoffs.

Rockies: Early speculation was that the Rockies might want to move Willy Taveras or Scott Podsednik. But with Taveras stealing bases at a rapid clip, the Rockies may want to move in a different direction.

Outfielder Ryan Spilborghs or infielder Jeff Baker could be trade-bait options. Considering the comeback they made last year, the Rockies don't figure to bail out in an NL West race where nobody has really taken charge.

Padres: The Padres might look to bolster their bullpen and plunge forward with hopes of making the long climb to the top of the NL West.

If San Diego struggles in the next few weeks and looks to sell, however, left-hander Randy Wolf might draw the best return. Clubs are expected to look at Maddux extensively, but he would have to sign off on a deal.

Astros: Roy Oswalt would consider going elsewhere, but there are very few teams that could make a trade for the right-hander and that would get his required approval.

Houston doesn't have the pieces to acquire pitching unless it parted with Hunter Pence, and that's highly unlikely.

Angels: The Angels are in good shape in the AL West and historically tend to stand pat at the trade deadline.

The club may want to tweak the bullpen, which had a few glitches here and there. The prime trade bait could be Juan Rivera, who has been the odd man out in a crowded outfield. Rivera is a .287 career hitter and may earn some attention. The Angels would probably want a pitching prospect or a lefty reliever for Rivera.

Orioles: Baltimore is looking to move high-priced veterans like Aubrey Huff, Jay Payton, Kevin Millar, Ramon Hernandez, Jamie Walker and Chad Bradford.

The Oriole with the most trade value is Brian Roberts. If the club is in the race through July, Baltimore might want to entertain the concept of talking about a long-term extension with Roberts. If not, Roberts could be shopped to draw prospects.

Brewers: The Brewers could make a run at Sabathia because owner Mark Attanasio has said the Milwaukee budget again allows for a big-ticket acquisition.

If the Brewers are in an acquisition mode, they almost certainly would focus on starting pitching. They hope to fill the void left by injured Yovani Gallardo.

Maddux or Wolf from San Diego might fill the bill. The Brewers may dangle Bill Hall, who has requested a trade. Another possibility would be considering offers for Ben Sheets before he reaches free agency.

Blue Jays: The status of Burnett will be closely monitored as the trade deadline approaches.

The hard-throwing right-hander got some attention recently when he admitted he would accept a trade to a team like the first-place Cubs "with open arms." Burnett is owed $24 million through 2010 if he doesn't opt out.

If Toronto hangs onto Burnett and he opts out, the Jays could get two first-round picks in next June's First-Year Player Draft.

Dodgers: With injured players such as Rafael Furcal, Andruw Jones, Nomar Garciaparra, Brad Penny and Hiroki Kuroda all returning around the All-Star break, GM Ned Colletti is in a wait-and-see mode.

The Dodgers have been reluctant to part with young talent, particularly outfielder Matt Kemp. It doesn't appear they would go in that direction.

Unless the club dives out of contention and moves a player like Penny or Derek Lowe, it's unlikely the Dodgers would be involved in a significant deal.

Red Sox: Boston has extraordinary depth across its roster, but pitching injuries have hit the club.

If the Red Sox could find value for the middle-relief corps, that might be an area of pursuit. Should Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz get healthy for the long haul, Coco Crisp could be trade bait in a crowded outfield.

Cardinals: Don't expect the Cards to be full-on buyers. It's inconceivable they would move prized prospect Colby Rasmus for even a rental as appealing as Sabathia.

Right-hander Anthony Reyes or catcher Bryan Anderson could be possibilities for a trade, if there is a proper fit.

Rangers: The Rangers will consider opportunities to tweak their bullpen, but not if they have to give up their best young talent.

One thing to watch is first base, where the Rangers have both Frank Catalanotto and Hank Blalock. One of those two could be used for barter.
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PostSubject: Re: Trade winds are starting to blow   Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:55 am

Burnett, Oswalt and Blanton might be something to consider, now that Bonderman is done for the year and the possibility of Rogers retiring after this year.
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PostSubject: Re: Trade winds are starting to blow   Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:06 am

... I don't know... no matter how badly we do, I don't think we're in the position to get rid of Pudge...
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PostSubject: Re: Trade winds are starting to blow   Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:09 am

Tigers need to stay the course;


We have a team capable of winning the WS.


Why Fuck it up?
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PostSubject: Re: Trade winds are starting to blow   Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:38 pm

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Tigers need to stay the course;


We have a team capable of winning the WS.


Why Fuck it up?

I know we have a great team just as it is. However...I'm not counting on D-Railed to be as effective as he once was...and there's always the possibility of Kenny Rogers retiring. I don't think it could hurt to plan ahead for next year. If we can get a quality pitcher for a prospect or 2 that we really aren't counting on anytime soon...it couldn't hurt.
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PostSubject: Re: Trade winds are starting to blow   Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:40 pm

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... I don't know... no matter how badly we do, I don't think we're in the position to get rid of Pudge...

Agreed! If we trade Pudge...and if something were to happen to Brandon, we'd be pretty well screwed! Pudge isn't going anywhere.
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PostSubject: Re: Trade winds are starting to blow   Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:54 pm

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TigerLily wrote:
... I don't know... no matter how badly we do, I don't think we're in the position to get rid of Pudge...

Agreed! If we trade Pudge...and if something were to happen to Brandon, we'd be pretty well screwed! Pudge isn't going anywhere.

Well even then, Brandon's in no position to play catcher full time annnnnd for some reason we got rid of Rabelo Rolling Eyes sooo I think Pudge is in it with us for the long haul lol
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PostSubject: Re: Trade winds are starting to blow   Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:44 pm

Boy, did that phrase ring true....

"do you know where your favorite players are?"
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PostSubject: Re: Trade winds are starting to blow   Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:38 am

Sadly...yeah. 1 was ejected, and 1 is on the DL as we speak. I pray B.Inge gets better soon!
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PostSubject: Re: Trade winds are starting to blow   Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:10 am

Ejected?
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PostSubject: Re: Trade winds are starting to blow   Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:58 am

Marcus said the magic word while in the face of the home plate ump.
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PostSubject: Re: Trade winds are starting to blow   Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:20 am

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Marcus said the magic word while in the face of the home plate ump.
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PostSubject: Re: Trade winds are starting to blow   Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:30 am

I think he said it more than once too, judging by the replays!
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PostSubject: Re: Trade winds are starting to blow   Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:32 am

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I think he said it more than once too, judging by the replays!
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PostSubject: Re: Trade winds are starting to blow   Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:40 am

LOL Swiss!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Trade winds are starting to blow   Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:59 am

Marcus said a bad word....so did Polly!! Smack
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PostSubject: Re: Trade winds are starting to blow   Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:00 am

Thames did apologize afterwards



I hope Leyland plays him Saturday and Sunday.

Love watching Thames crush the ball
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PostSubject: Re: Trade winds are starting to blow   Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:28 am

Don't take Clete out of the line-up...he's great!!
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PostSubject: Re: Trade winds are starting to blow   Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:53 pm

Hitting .335....YES!!
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PostSubject: Re: Trade winds are starting to blow   Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:35 am

Tigers trade game may include these names
JON PAUL MOROSI
July 6, 2008

Around this time last year, the Tigers were prepared to include Jair Jurrjens in a trade offer for Pittsburgh Pirates shortstop Jack Wilson.

Jurrjens was pitching well at Double-A Erie then, but the Pirates had reservations about dealing an everyday shortstop for someone who might not contribute in the majors right away. So the talks fell apart.

Two weeks after the July 31 non-waiver deadline, Jurrjens joined Detroit's big-league rotation. He won three games while displaying great potential. Still, in the end, he was traded for a shortstop. Less than 24 hours after the World Series concluded, Jurrjens and outfielder Gorkys Hernandez -- who resembles Minnesota's dynamic Carlos Gomez -- were dealt to Atlanta for Edgar Renteria.

Of course, both the Pirates and Tigers would love to have Jurrjens now. He is 8-4 with a 3.09 ERA.

But that is the way trades work. Parting with a good prospect is risky, even if a deal justifiably helps a team to win in the near term.

This year's trade deadline is now less than one month away. And thanks to his team's 19-8 June, Detroit team president and general manager Dave Dombrowski will probably look to add, rather than subtract, veteran talent before July 31.

Dombrowski would be reluctant to deal the young players who are currently contributing in the majors, such as Freddy Dolsi, Armando Galarraga and Clete Thomas. The 2008 draft picks can't be traded yet, either.

So the Tigers' farm system is probably not deep enough for them to acquire top-of-the-market talent, but they should have the ability to add a complementary player or two. (Think Sean Casey in 2006.)

At what cost, though? Here are some names you may hear about this month.

THE UNTOUCHABLE ONE (WE THINK) -- Rick Porcello, RHP, Lakeland. We learned last December that no one is untouchable, but we're pretty sure that Porcello will be a Tiger for years to come. He is four years younger than many of the hitters he is facing, yet he has an ERA below 3.00. That's why, as one National League official put it, Porcello might be the best prospect in all of baseball.

THE FUTURE SHORTSTOP -- Cale Iorg, SS, Lakeland. Iorg has the highest ceiling of any position player in the system, and he could become Detroit's everyday shortstop as early as the 2010 season. He's likely staying put.

THE HOMERS AND STRIKEOUTS CLUB -- Jeff Larish, 1B/3B, Toledo; Brent Clevlen, OF, Toledo; Michael Hollimon, 2B/SS, Detroit; Wilkin Ramirez, LF/DH, Erie. Teams enamored with power hitters could be intrigued by one or more members of this group. Larish and Hollimon have shown extra-base pop during big-league call-ups this year. Clevlen is a great defender and has become more selective at the plate. Ramirez can really run. But all of them swing and miss, too.

THE WEST MICHIGAN ARMS -- Alfredo Figaro, RHP; Rudy Darrow, RHP; Jonathan Kibler, LHP; Mauricio Robles, LHP; Wilton Garcia, RHP. The Tigers have an impressive stable of young pitchers at Class A West Michigan. Figaro, the cousin of Detroit reliever Fernando Rodney, is the hardest thrower of them all. He is very demonstrative on the mound and possesses a fastball that has reached 94 and 95 m.p.h. His next task is improving his command.

Darrow, 24, will be a fascinating prospect for Tigers fans to follow. He's a sidearmer who has touched 92 and 93 m.p.h. in recent outings -- rare velocity from that arm angle. If he learns how to command his slider, he could move very quickly.
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PostSubject: Re: Trade winds are starting to blow   Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:20 pm

Grrrrr......
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PostSubject: Re: Trade winds are starting to blow   Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:59 pm

Wish I had made this up...
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PostSubject: Re: Trade winds are starting to blow   Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:59 pm

I don't think we should use Porcello!
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PostSubject: Re: Trade winds are starting to blow   Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:46 pm

Porcello needs to stay a Tiger. He is gonna be a star! He sure held his own against the big leagers in spring training! I would guess we will see him in Detroit part time at the end of this year (because he is on the 40 man roster) and more permanent next year.


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PostSubject: Re: Trade winds are starting to blow   Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:01 am

Tigers can win it all with what we have


NO TRADES PLEASE
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