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PostSubject: San Francisco considers measure decriminalizing prostitution   Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:42 am

San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution



SAN FRANCISCO – In this live-and-let-live town, where medical marijuana clubs do business next to grocery stores and an annual fair celebrates sadomasochism, prostitutes could soon walk the streets without fear of arrest.

San Francisco would become the first major U.S. city to decriminalize prostitution if voters next month approve Proposition K — a measure that forbids local authorities from investigating, arresting or prosecuting anyone for selling sex.

The ballot question technically would not legalize prostitution since state law still prohibits it, but the measure would eliminate the power of local law enforcement officials to go after prostitutes.

Proponents say the measure will free up $11 million the police spend each year arresting prostitutes and allow them to form collectives.

"It will allow workers to organize for our rights and for our safety," said Patricia West, 22, who said she has been selling sex for about a year by placing ads on the Internet. She moved to San Francisco in May from Texas to work on Proposition K.

Even in tolerant San Francisco — where the sadomasochism fair draws thousands of tourists and a pornographic video company is housed in a former armory — the measure faces an uphill battle, with much of the political establishment opposing it.

Some form of prostitution is already legal in two states. Brothels are allowed in rural counties in Nevada. And Rhode Island permits the sale of sex behind closed doors between consulting adults, but it prohibits street prostitution and brothels.

In 2004, almost two-thirds of voters in nearby Berkeley rejected decriminalization. But proponents of Proposition K say their proposal has a better shot in San Francisco, which they believe is more sexually liberal than the city across the bay.

After all, the world's oldest profession has long been established here. During the Gold Rush, the neighborhood closest to the piers was a seedy pleasure center of sex, gambling and drinking known as the Barbary Coast.

These days, on certain corners, prostitutes sell their bodies day and night, ducking into doorways and alleys when police pass by. One recent afternoon in the Mission District, six prostitutes were plying their trade on a single block.

Police made 1,583 prostitution arrests in 2007 and expect to make a similar number this year. But the district attorney's office says most defendants are fined, placed in diversion programs or both. Fewer than 5 percent get prosecuted for solicitation, which is a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail.

Proposition K has been endorsed by the local Democratic Party. But the mayor, district attorney, police department and much of the business community oppose the idea, contending it would increase street prostitution, allow pimps the run of neighborhoods and hamper the fight against sex trafficking, which would remain illegal because it involves forcing people into the sex trade.

The San Francisco Chronicle editorialized against the measure, saying it could make the city a magnet for prostitution.

If the proposal passes, "we wouldn't be able to investigate prostitution, and it's going to be pretty difficult for us to locate these folks who are victims of trafficking otherwise," said Capt. Al Pardini, head of the police department's vice unit. "It's pretty rare that we get a call that says: 'I'm a victim of human trafficking' or 'I suspect human trafficking in my neighborhood.'"

The proposition would also prohibit police from accepting federal or state funds for sex trafficking investigations that involve racial profiling. Such investigations often arise from raids on brothels that advertise as Asian massage parlors.

"We feel that repressive policies don't help trafficking victims, and that human rights-based approaches, including decriminalization, are actually more effective," said Carol Leigh, co-founder of the Bay Area Sex Workers Advocacy Network and a longtime advocate for prostitutes' rights.

But San Francisco District Attorney Kamala Harris said the ballot question mistakenly assumes prostitution is a victimless crime.

"The crime of prostitution does not exist by itself," Harris said. "Along with it come pimps, johns and other crimes that really impact the safety of neighborhoods."

If the measure passes, supporters say, prostitutes would not feel the need for pimps as protection. But opponents insist it would embolden pimps who trap drug addicts into prostitution by plying them with drugs.

"The proponents usually paint a fairly rosy picture of two consenting adults and a monetary exchange at the end," Pardini said. "They don't factor in the people that are being exploited and people that are being controlled, the ones manipulated both physically and chemically."


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PostSubject: Re: San Francisco considers measure decriminalizing prostitution   Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:44 am

Hmm....they need to go for something more Nevada-style I think. But hey, it's a start. Yes on K!


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PostSubject: Re: San Francisco considers measure decriminalizing prostitution   Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:25 am

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PostSubject: Re: San Francisco considers measure decriminalizing prostitution   Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:21 pm

Prostitution is not a victimless crime

In addition; It can lead to other crimes


Such as Drug Dealing


Not to mention it helps Spread the AIDS Virus and other sexual diseases
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PostSubject: Re: San Francisco considers measure decriminalizing prostitution   Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:02 pm

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Prostitution is not a victimless crime

In addition; It can lead to other crimes


Such as Drug Dealing


Not to mention it helps Spread the AIDS Virus and other sexual diseases

That's why you need brothels like Nevada. No Nevadan prostitute has ever tested positive for HIV (mandatory testing began in 1986).

When regulated, it's rather victimless. Besides, it's the world's oldest profession.


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PostSubject: Re: San Francisco considers measure decriminalizing prostitution   Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:22 pm

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gs78 wrote:
Prostitution is not a victimless crime

In addition; It can lead to other crimes


Such as Drug Dealing


Not to mention it helps Spread the AIDS Virus and other sexual diseases

That's why you need brothels like Nevada. No Nevadan prostitute has ever tested positive for HIV (mandatory testing began in 1986).



When regulated, it's rather victimless. Besides, it's the world's oldest profession.

Where do you get all this info bow
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PostSubject: Re: San Francisco considers measure decriminalizing prostitution   Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:06 pm

It's common knowledge amongst Nevadans that no Nevadan prostitute (scratch that....LEGAL prostitute) has ever tested positive for HIV (and they're tested quite frequently). Kharmon is Nevadan that's why I knew that much. A quick search and you can find actual proof that that is true and the part on 1986.

REMEMBER KIDS (or adults I better say): Prostitution is ILLEGAL in Clark County....that means Las Vegas!


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PostSubject: Re: San Francisco considers measure decriminalizing prostitution   Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:27 pm

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It's common knowledge amongst Nevadans that no Nevadan prostitute (scratch that....LEGAL prostitute) has ever tested positive for HIV (and they're tested quite frequently). Kharmon is Nevadan that's why I knew that much. A quick search and you can find actual proof that that is true and the part on 1986.

REMEMBER KIDS (or adults I better say): Prostitution is ILLEGAL in Clark County....that means Las Vegas!

Yet check the Lost Paycheck (Vegas) phone books and you still find "escorts" which are illegal prostitutes... They are busted all the time there. (I have friends who live there and tell me about it)

And when a married man goes to see the legal prostitute, it is not victimless! A high School friend of mine was a lawyer in Vegas, for awhile, and he had your so called "victimless" divorces all the time because of those legal brothels.


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PostSubject: Re: San Francisco considers measure decriminalizing prostitution   Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:39 pm

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catbox_9 wrote:
It's common knowledge amongst Nevadans that no Nevadan prostitute (scratch that....LEGAL prostitute) has ever tested positive for HIV (and they're tested quite frequently). Kharmon is Nevadan that's why I knew that much. A quick search and you can find actual proof that that is true and the part on 1986.

REMEMBER KIDS (or adults I better say): Prostitution is ILLEGAL in Clark County....that means Las Vegas!

Yet check the Lost Paycheck (Vegas) phone books and you still find "escorts" which are illegal prostitutes... They are busted all the time there. (I have friends who live there and tell me about it)

And when a married man goes to see the legal prostitute, it is not victimless! A high School friend of mine was a lawyer in Vegas, for awhile, and he had your so called "victimless" divorces all the time because of those legal brothels.

The "escorts" in Vegas have nothing to do with the prostitutes in legal brothels. If prostitution were suddenly illegal in Vegas those escorts would be there to stay. Every major city has escorts for hire and they are all illegal...and should be as they aren't regulated.

I didn't condone married men seeing prostitutes. That's now what they should be for. Still, married men that cheat on their spouses don't need prostitutes to cheat - there's plenty of other ways to do it. When used properly (which I'll admit isn't how they're used a lot of the time) they're fairly victimless. I myself couldn't really get into the idea of going to a brothel as I find it immoral, but some people don't and I don't want to dictate that type of policy based on my set of morals.


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PostSubject: Re: San Francisco considers measure decriminalizing prostitution   Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:44 pm

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It's common knowledge amongst Nevadans that no Nevadan prostitute (scratch that....LEGAL prostitute) has ever tested positive for HIV (and they're tested quite frequently). Kharmon is Nevadan that's why I knew that much. A quick search and you can find actual proof that that is true and the part on 1986.

REMEMBER KIDS (or adults I better say): Prostitution is ILLEGAL in Clark County....that means Las Vegas!


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PostSubject: Re: San Francisco considers measure decriminalizing prostitution   Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:59 pm

gs78 wrote:
catbox_9 wrote:
It's common knowledge amongst Nevadans that no Nevadan prostitute (scratch that....LEGAL prostitute) has ever tested positive for HIV (and they're tested quite frequently). Kharmon is Nevadan that's why I knew that much. A quick search and you can find actual proof that that is true and the part on 1986.

REMEMBER KIDS (or adults I better say): Prostitution is ILLEGAL in Clark County....that means Las Vegas!


Thank You Catbox for that PSA

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PostSubject: Re: San Francisco considers measure decriminalizing prostitution   Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:32 pm

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PostSubject: Re: San Francisco considers measure decriminalizing prostitution   Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:58 am

Prostitutes are so overrated....
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