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PostSubject: GDT: 10/23/08 - WS GAME 2 - PHI (1-0) @ TB - 8:00 PM ET   Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:56 am

GDT: 10/23/08 - WS GAME 2 - PHI (1-0) @ TB - 8:00 PM ET

• Game 2 pitchers breakdownWatch >

10/23/08 2:50 AM ET
Game 2 starters can change story
To counter Phils' Game 1 win, Rays' Shields must best Myers

By Mike Bauman / MLB.com

ST. PETERSBURG -- As we proceed to Game 2 of the 2008 World Series on Thursday, the Tampa Bay Rays can take heart from one basic baseball fact of life.

Cole Hamels can't pitch every game.

Hamels was not beatable in the Phillies' 3-2 win in Game 1 on Wednesday night, just as he was not beatable in his first three starts in two National League postseason rounds. He has been the pitcher of the 2008 postseason. But the rest of the Philadelphia Phillies' starters, like the rest of anybody else's starters at this point, are not quite as imposing as Hamels.

This is part of the reason where the Rays have been installed as the favorites in this Fall Classic. Let's face it, being the favorite in most 2008 postseason series hasn't been a lot of fun, but somebody has to fill that role.

The conventional wisdom is that the Tampa Bay rotation has more depth than Philadelphia's. That notion will start to be tested in Game 2 on Thursday night, when the Rays' James Shields faces the Phils' Brett Myers.

The Phillies have already accomplished Goal No. 1 for any team that does not have postseason home-field advantage: They won a road game. This is generally a postseason achievement somewhere between very important and monumental, and the Phils put it in their back pockets at the first opportunity.

On the other hand, the Rays also lost Game 1 of the American League Championship Series at home to Boston, and that didn't exactly derail them for keeps. They have proven to be a resilient group. This is another reason why the oddsmakers liked the Rays coming into this World Series. The past futility of this franchise counts for nothing. The quality of the current Rays is all that matters.

And on paper, their advantage would exist in the second through fourth spots in their postseason rotation -- Shields, Matt Garza and Andy Sonnanstine having the collective edge over Myers, Jamie Moyer and Joe Blanton. But the theoretical edge doesn't mean anything unless it is actually demonstrated on the field.

Myers is a case in point, struggling enough that he was sent down to the Minors in July to regain his bearings. His overall numbers don't look good, but his second-half performance was much closer to the level that his considerable talent suggested.

"Since Brett went to the Minor Leagues and he came back, he's been tremendous," Phillies manager Charlie Manuel said. "He's one of the reasons that I'm sitting here talking to you today. And he's been just a completely different pitcher."

Shields is "Big Game James," and this would be an ideal time to live up to the nickname.

"I'm the type of pitcher that I want the ball, you know?" he said on Wednesday. "I thrive on that. I thrive on getting the ball, and all our starters do. And our whole pitching staff does. You see David Price that last game [of the ALCS]; he's 23 years old and wants the ball."

The Rays wouldn't be at this level without a superior starting rotation. These starters are not household names throughout North America, only because they haven't been around long enough to gain full-name recognition. This World Series could change that. Their talent is as remarkable as their youth.

"You know, it's almost kind of, to me, it's kind of scary. I'm the oldest pitcher on the [starting] staff; I'm 26 years old," Shields said. "And I don't think a lot of people understand where we've come from and how long we've come along. And it's going to be fun."

This is where the telling point of the competition generally occurs in the postseason. The Rays have to hope that their young pitchers hold up under the intense pressure of the Fall Classic. The Phillies have to hope that their starters all find their best form.

In the other half of the game, the Phillies may find a little more firepower for their Game 2 lineup. With a right-hander going for Tampa Bay, Manuel has several viable options for a left-handed designated hitter, and he can, in fact, go heavier on left-handed hitters in his lineup.

"We've got some options," Manuel said. "We have three left-handed hitters sitting on our bench. We can be strong on our left-handed hitters. If I want to or if I choose, I can probably overload our lineup with left-handed hitters."

Overall, it is a fascinating situation for Game 2. The Phillies have done the essential thing, taking the World Series lead on the road. But the Rays believe that they still have the long-term Fall Classic edge due to the quality of their starting pitching. Like the Brewers and the Dodgers before them, they couldn't solve Hamels. But the Rays' hope is that the subsequent matchups in this World Series will turn in their favor.

Mike Bauman is a national columnist for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


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PostSubject: Re: GDT: 10/23/08 - WS GAME 2 - PHI (1-0) @ TB - 8:00 PM ET   Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:57 am

STARTING LINEUPS:



Philadelphia
Rollins, SS
Werth, RF
Utley, 2B
Howard, 1B
Burrell, LF
Victorino, CF
Dobbs, DH
Feliz, 3B
Ruiz, C



Tampa Bay
Iwamura, 2B
Upton, CF
Pena, 1B
Longoria, 3B
Crawford, LF
Floyd, DH
Navarro, C
Baldelli, RF
Bartlett, SS


“It takes pitching, hitting and defense. Any two can win. All three make you unbeatable.”    
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PostSubject: Re: GDT: 10/23/08 - WS GAME 2 - PHI (1-0) @ TB - 8:00 PM ET   Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:19 pm

72 degrees inside the dome
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PostSubject: Re: GDT: 10/23/08 - WS GAME 2 - PHI (1-0) @ TB - 8:00 PM ET   Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:19 pm

Rays need Game 2

They can't go down 0-2 with three games in Philly
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PostSubject: Re: GDT: 10/23/08 - WS GAME 2 - PHI (1-0) @ TB - 8:00 PM ET   Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:20 pm

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PostSubject: Re: GDT: 10/23/08 - WS GAME 2 - PHI (1-0) @ TB - 8:00 PM ET   Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:13 pm

Why does the game have to start at 8?? Its not going to end until like 11 and I really want to watch the whole game.
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PostSubject: Re: GDT: 10/23/08 - WS GAME 2 - PHI (1-0) @ TB - 8:00 PM ET   Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:57 pm

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Why does the game have to start at 8?? Its not going to end until like 11 and I really want to watch the whole game.

I agree, it would be better if it started at 6:30 or 7:00 pm.


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Why does the game have to start at 8?? Its not going to end until like 11 and I really want to watch the whole game.

I agree, it would be better if it started at 6:30 or 7:00 pm.


But it only be 3:30 or 4pm on the West Coast


I dunno
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PostSubject: Re: GDT: 10/23/08 - WS GAME 2 - PHI (1-0) @ TB - 8:00 PM ET   Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:00 pm

They have too many commercials


Game 1 lasted nearly 3 and a half hours

And it was a low scoring game
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PostSubject: Re: GDT: 10/23/08 - WS GAME 2 - PHI (1-0) @ TB - 8:00 PM ET   Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:01 pm

Gotta get them Taco Bell and Viagra commercials in there
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PostSubject: Re: GDT: 10/23/08 - WS GAME 2 - PHI (1-0) @ TB - 8:00 PM ET   Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:01 pm

At least no more Frank TV Promos
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PostSubject: Re: GDT: 10/23/08 - WS GAME 2 - PHI (1-0) @ TB - 8:00 PM ET   Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:02 pm

MORE BASEBALL

LESS FRANK
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ARE YOU LISTENING TBS?
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GO RAYS!


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I hope this WS goes 7
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PostSubject: Re: GDT: 10/23/08 - WS GAME 2 - PHI (1-0) @ TB - 8:00 PM ET   Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:06 pm

Go Whoever! I really don't care who wins (yawn), but I'm predicting Phillies World Champs in 5.


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PostSubject: Re: GDT: 10/23/08 - WS GAME 2 - PHI (1-0) @ TB - 8:00 PM ET   Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:13 pm

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Go Whoever! I really don't care who wins (yawn), but I'm predicting Phillies World Champs in 5.


I predict Phillies in 6

But I hope it goes 7
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PostSubject: Re: GDT: 10/23/08 - WS GAME 2 - PHI (1-0) @ TB - 8:00 PM ET   Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:30 pm

I predict the Rays will win tonight
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PostSubject: Re: GDT: 10/23/08 - WS GAME 2 - PHI (1-0) @ TB - 8:00 PM ET   Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:37 pm

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I predict the Rays will win tonight

Yeah, I predict an exact copy of 2006. Rays will win tonight and Phillies will take all three in Philadelphia.


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I predict the Rays will win tonight

Yeah, I predict an exact copy of 2006. Rays will win tonight and Phillies will take all three in Philadelphia.


Maybe


But I see it going 6 games
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PostSubject: Re: GDT: 10/23/08 - WS GAME 2 - PHI (1-0) @ TB - 8:00 PM ET   Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:39 pm

But if the Rays lose tonight;


They in big trouble
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PostSubject: Re: GDT: 10/23/08 - WS GAME 2 - PHI (1-0) @ TB - 8:00 PM ET   Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:43 pm

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I predict the Rays will win tonight

Yeah, I predict an exact copy of 2006. Rays will win tonight and Phillies will take all three in Philadelphia.


Except for Game 2

2006 WS Sucked
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I wish the Tigers would have won it all
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Maybe in 2009?
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Less than one hour until Game Time
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72 degrees in the dome

And No chance of Rain
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PostSubject: Re: GDT: 10/23/08 - WS GAME 2 - PHI (1-0) @ TB - 8:00 PM ET   Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:43 pm

Go SHIELDS

At our very first Tigers game we attended, we played the Rays. Shields was the only one signing autographs! My husband got a great closeup shot of him! (no autograph tho)
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Go SHIELDS

At our very first Tigers game we attended, we played the Rays. Shields was the only one signing autographs! My husband got a great closeup shot of him! (no autograph tho)


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