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PostSubject: Dr Gupta won't be the Surgeon General   Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:12 am

Gupta withdraws from surgeon general search

By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR, Associated Press Writer – Fri Mar 6, 1:47 am ET

WASHINGTON – CNN medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta won't be the next surgeon general, the Obama administration confirmed Thursday.
Gupta, 39, a neurosurgeon with star appeal, was seen as President Barack Obama's first pick for the job. He would have brought instant recognition to the office of surgeon general, a post that has lacked visibility since the days of C. Everett Koop during Ronald Reagan's presidency.

An administration official said that Gupta had been under "serious consideration" but took himself out of the running because he wants to focus on his medical career and spend more time with his family.
"We know he will continue to serve and educate the public through his work with media and in the medical arena," said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of nominations.
The official said there were no problems that would have disqualified Gupta, and it was his decision to withdraw.
Gupta said Thursday evening he decided to pull out of contention as the nation's doctor primarily out of consideration for his two young daughters and a third child on the way.
"My wife is imminent with our third child. You know, this job ... takes us away from our children for so many years at once, and I sort of came to grips with the fact that I'd probably be away at least the first several years. ... And I just didn't feel like I should do that now," Gupta told CNN's Larry King.
While the surgeon general's job doesn't involve much policymaking responsibility, it's a bully pulpit for promoting public health. Gupta could have helped Obama pitch his health care reform plan.
Initial reports in early January that Obama had approached Gupta about the job created a stir. The new president had not yet taken office. The chairman of the American Medical Association's board said at the time it would be a boon to the government if Gupta accepted.
But Gupta would have had to give up a lucrative career. He hosts "House Call" on CNN, contributes reports to CBS News and writes a column for Time magazine. He also practices neurosurgery at Atlanta's Grady Memorial Hospital, which sees more than its share of trauma cases.
A desire to continue practicing medicine also entered into his decision against pursuing the surgeon general's post, Gupta said on CNN. As far as the cut in pay, Gupta said "that's a sacrifice we were willing to make."
Political opposition had started to form.
House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers, D-Mich., called Gupta inexperienced and circulated a letter urging Obama not to appoint him. Conyers is a leading supporter of health care reform that would create a government system similar to Canada's, and is particularly influential among liberals.
Gupta does have some Washington experience. During the Clinton administration, he served as a White House fellow and a special adviser to then-first lady Hillary Clinton.
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PostSubject: Re: Dr Gupta won't be the Surgeon General   Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:15 pm

Good


Sick of all these fuzzy foriegn Punjabs dominating the Health Industry



Of course Obama wants as many minorities in his adminstration


White people can sit at the back of the bus


Obama= Closet Racist
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PostSubject: Re: Dr Gupta won't be the Surgeon General   Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:39 pm

By the way I am not racist

Because I dislike the White Trash People in my neighborhood


I rather live next to Decent Black, Asian, Non Muslim Arabs and Latino people than White Trash anyday
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PostSubject: Re: Dr Gupta won't be the Surgeon General   Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:46 pm

It is not the race, but the individual person's activity, that turns me off. You are correct GS, that is not racist!


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PostSubject: Re: Dr Gupta won't be the Surgeon General   Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:57 pm

I still don't see what the problem with minority doctors is. Non-whites often have different values, study better, and end up as doctors. It's not their fault that the American school systems suck and care more about prolonging the career of a future drop-out than catering to the students that might actually be successful.


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PostSubject: Re: Dr Gupta won't be the Surgeon General   Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:15 pm

well. he's not exactly foreign but first generation....Wikipedia:

Gupta grew up in Novi, Michigan, in suburban Detroit, and received his undergraduate degree in biomedical sciences at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor and his M.D. from the University of Michigan Medical Center. He was part of Inteflex, a 6-year program combining pre-medical and medical school that accepted students directly from high school. He completed his residency in neurological surgery within the University of Michigan Health System. His parents, Subhash and Damyanti Gupta, moved from India to Michigan to work as engineers for the Ford Motor Company in Dearborn in the 1960s. He also completed a portion of his residency at St. Lawrence Hospital in Lansing, Michigan.
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PostSubject: Re: Dr Gupta won't be the Surgeon General   Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:42 pm

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I still don't see what the problem with minority doctors is. Non-whites often have different values, study better, and end up as doctors. It's not their fault that the American school systems suck and care more about prolonging the career of a future drop-out than catering to the students that might actually be successful.

But with a lot of these doctors, it is the American higher education that they want!

I have no problem with foreign Doctors who come here to practice, I do have a problem with those who deliberately lie by coming here to go to school, telling our government that they just want our education, and then they indicate they will return to their own country to practice medicine. All the while they never really plan to leave here once they get the education!

And it is not just doctors that stay, for the higher lifestyle and income!

I have a friend that came from Zambia to study religion at the college I taught at in Florida. He told his country he would return once he graduated. He told the US government the same thing. That was the only reason that the US allowed him here, and Zambia gave him a visa. Well, surprise, once he received his degree, he and his family saw that it was nicer living here, so they stayed! He says he keeps taking one or two classes each year so his government, and the US, let him stay. He says he never intended on returning back to his home, and he will not become a citizen, otherwise they will know he lied. This has now gone on over 20 years!


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PostSubject: Re: Dr Gupta won't be the Surgeon General   Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:57 pm

I understand your concern but with medicine I don't think that is particularly common. American medical schools are incredibly competitive. Someone from a foreign country is at an enormous disadvantage if they want to go there (just like an American will almost never get into a European medical school). However, countries like Mexico, small islands in the Caribbean, third world countries, etc. have schools that aren't particularly difficult to get admitted to and have graduates who are allowed to practice wherever they want.

I also don't see the problem with people wanting to immigrate here for a better lifestyle - especially if they are working - and even more especially if they are working as something like a doctor. After all, other than those of us who are Native Americans (they make up around 1% of the U.S. populations) we all come from a line of immigrants.

There are plenty of people that cheat the system and get benefits they don't deserve, but the same can't really be said about doctors.


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PostSubject: Re: Dr Gupta won't be the Surgeon General   Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:43 am

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There are plenty of people that cheat the system
and get benefits they don't deserve, but the same can't really be said
about doctors.

I can name at least a dozen in this area that are not citizens, and don't intend on becoming one either. When you go see them, you can't understand anything they say, and many say they hate America, except for the money. Some have been deported, in the last few years, for performing procedures that are NOT LEGAL in America, and they have botched many surgeries!

This area is not known for having good doctors. We have to go to Pittsburgh PA, Columbus or Cleveland OH, or Morgantown, WV to find good specialists.

As to Dr. Sanjay Gupta, I think he is a great Doctor. One I would go to anyday. I have the feeling he just does not agree with Obama's Health care beliefs.


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PostSubject: Re: Dr Gupta won't be the Surgeon General   Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:42 am

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There are plenty of people that cheat the system
and get benefits they don't deserve, but the same can't really be said
about doctors.

I can name at least a dozen in this area that are not citizens, and don't intend on becoming one either. When you go see them, you can't understand anything they say, and many say they hate America, except for the money. Some have been deported, in the last few years, for performing procedures that are NOT LEGAL in America, and they have botched many surgeries!

That's something completely different. A doctor, foreign or not, who is incompetent is not someone I support. The fact they hate America, while upsetting, is also irrelevant. A person has every right to hate this country whether they are a citizen or not. Acting on that hate becomes less legal.

As for the difficulties with English, English isn't their first language but at least they make an effort. If I go to Tennessee I have trouble understanding what these people say. Some of them I can't understand at all.


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PostSubject: Re: Dr Gupta won't be the Surgeon General   Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:57 am

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As for the difficulties with English, English
isn't their first language but at least they make an effort. If I go to
Tennessee I have trouble understanding what these people say. Some of
them I can't understand at all.

There is a difference though. In talking to your Dr. you need to know what their instructions are. We have asked the Doctor to repeat his instructions, and still did not understand their English (or lack of). We then asked his nurse what his instructions were, and she said "Who Knows!" She could not understand him, and could not read his writing! She said ask the Pharmacist, concerning the prescription he gave us. The Pharmacist then told us she did not know what drug he had written down, so she called his office, and got nowhere!

So we went to another doctor. That doctor asked if anyone had tried to treat the condition, we told him who, and he just laughed and said we were lucky to get away from that qwack!

This type of Doctor is just downright dangerous for the patient's health!


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PostSubject: Re: Dr Gupta won't be the Surgeon General   Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:06 am

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As for the difficulties with English, English
isn't their first language but at least they make an effort. If I go to
Tennessee I have trouble understanding what these people say. Some of
them I can't understand at all.

There is a difference though. In talking to your Dr. you need to know what their instructions are. We have asked the Doctor to repeat his instructions, and still did not understand their English (or lack of). We then asked his nurse what his instructions were, and she said "Who Knows!" She could not understand him, and could not read his writing! She said ask the Pharmacist, concerning the prescription he gave us. The Pharmacist then told us she did not know what drug he had written down, so she called his office, and got nowhere!

So we went to another doctor. That doctor asked if anyone had tried to treat the condition, we told him who, and he just laughed and said we were lucky to get away from that qwack!

This type of Doctor is just downright dangerous for the patient's health!

There I agree with you. The doctor should have an interpreter but should otherwise be able to practice provided he's competent.


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PostSubject: Re: Dr Gupta won't be the Surgeon General   Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:23 pm

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I still don't see what the problem with minority doctors is. Non-whites often have different values, study better, and end up as doctors. It's not their fault that the American school systems suck and care more about prolonging the career of a future drop-out than catering to the students that might actually be successful.



And why do the American schools systems suck?


One look at how Detroit Public Schools are run answers that question
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PostSubject: Re: Dr Gupta won't be the Surgeon General   Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:25 pm

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I still don't see what the problem with minority doctors is. Non-whites often have different values, study better, and end up as doctors. It's not their fault that the American school systems suck and care more about prolonging the career of a future drop-out than catering to the students that might actually be successful.


Just remember that when you finish your degree and are working at Jack in the Box or Del Taco because they hire foreigners instead of you Cat

Even if you are more qualified
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PostSubject: Re: Dr Gupta won't be the Surgeon General   Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:27 pm

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GoGetEmTigers wrote:
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and get benefits they don't deserve, but the same can't really be said
about doctors.

I can name at least a dozen in this area that are not citizens, and don't intend on becoming one either. When you go see them, you can't understand anything they say, and many say they hate America, except for the money. Some have been deported, in the last few years, for performing procedures that are NOT LEGAL in America, and they have botched many surgeries!

That's something completely different. A doctor, foreign or not, who is incompetent is not someone I support. The fact they hate America, while upsetting, is also irrelevant. A person has every right to hate this country whether they are a citizen or not. Acting on that hate becomes less legal.

As for the difficulties with English, English isn't their first language but at least they make an effort. If I go to Tennessee I have trouble understanding what these people say. Some of them I can't understand at all.


There is a difference between foreigners and poor white trash [ in the South] that make white people look bad
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PostSubject: Re: Dr Gupta won't be the Surgeon General   Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:28 pm

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It is not the race, but the individual person's activity, that turns me off. You are correct GS, that is not racist!


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PostSubject: Re: Dr Gupta won't be the Surgeon General   Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:38 pm

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I still don't see what the problem with minority doctors is. Non-whites often have different values, study better, and end up as doctors. It's not their fault that the American school systems suck and care more about prolonging the career of a future drop-out than catering to the students that might actually be successful.


Just remember that when you finish your degree and are working at Jack in the Box or Del Taco because they hire foreigners instead of you Cat

Even if you are more qualified

The foreigners are more well-qualified than me. They have M.D.'s. I've got a B.A. and am hoping to find a foreign medical school that wants me...Mexico?


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PostSubject: Re: Dr Gupta won't be the Surgeon General   Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:49 am

Saudi Arabia?
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PostSubject: Re: Dr Gupta won't be the Surgeon General   Mon Mar 09, 2009 5:09 pm

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I still don't see what the problem with minority doctors is. Non-whites often have different values, study better, and end up as doctors. It's not their fault that the American school systems suck and care more about prolonging the career of a future drop-out than catering to the students that might actually be successful.


Just remember that when you finish your degree and are working at Jack in the Box or Del Taco because they hire foreigners instead of you Cat

Even if you are more qualified

The foreigners are more well-qualified than me. They have M.D.'s. I've got a B.A. and am hoping to find a foreign medical school that wants me...Mexico?



How about Puerto Rico


Or Canada
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PostSubject: Re: Dr Gupta won't be the Surgeon General   Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:47 am

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gs78 wrote:
catbox_9 wrote:
I still don't see what the problem with minority doctors is. Non-whites often have different values, study better, and end up as doctors. It's not their fault that the American school systems suck and care more about prolonging the career of a future drop-out than catering to the students that might actually be successful.


Just remember that when you finish your degree and are working at Jack in the Box or Del Taco because they hire foreigners instead of you Cat

Even if you are more qualified

The foreigners are more well-qualified than me. They have M.D.'s. I've got a B.A. and am hoping to find a foreign medical school that wants me...Mexico?



How about Puerto Rico


Or Canada

Puerto Rico is the United States. Canada is the same thing as the United States. Any country where the standard of living is comparable to that of this country is not an option. Mexico and a few islands in the Caribbean are by far the best options for people that are a little short of an American school but still qualified. My family care physician went to school in Mexico and my previous physician went to school on the island of Dominica (not the Dominican Republic) and they were both good doctors. There is a huge shortage of medical schools in this country and it is very time-consuming to establish more. In the meantime foreign schools are the best bet for people like me as graduates are eligible for licensure in all 50 states (for the most part....check with the school before enrolling) and most people don't know/care where their doctor went.


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PostSubject: Re: Dr Gupta won't be the Surgeon General   Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:55 pm

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gs78 wrote:
catbox_9 wrote:
gs78 wrote:
catbox_9 wrote:
I still don't see what the problem with minority doctors is. Non-whites often have different values, study better, and end up as doctors. It's not their fault that the American school systems suck and care more about prolonging the career of a future drop-out than catering to the students that might actually be successful.


Just remember that when you finish your degree and are working at Jack in the Box or Del Taco because they hire foreigners instead of you Cat

Even if you are more qualified

The foreigners are more well-qualified than me. They have M.D.'s. I've got a B.A. and am hoping to find a foreign medical school that wants me...Mexico?



How about Puerto Rico


Or Canada

Puerto Rico is the United States. Canada is the same thing as the United States. Any country where the standard of living is comparable to that of this country is not an option. Mexico and a few islands in the Caribbean are by far the best options for people that are a little short of an American school but still qualified. My family care physician went to school in Mexico and my previous physician went to school on the island of Dominica (not the Dominican Republic) and they were both good doctors. There is a huge shortage of medical schools in this country and it is very time-consuming to establish more. In the meantime foreign schools are the best bet for people like me as graduates are eligible for licensure in all 50 states (for the most part....check with the school before enrolling) and most people don't know/care where their doctor went.



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PostSubject: Re: Dr Gupta won't be the Surgeon General   Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:13 am

LOL. Not sure what the situation is like there to be honest. Mexico is a lot closer and since I speak Spanish it's more convenient.

My list of most desirable schools (in order)
1. Any US school not in Hawaii or Alaska (I'm not even sure if Alaska has one)
2. Any Canadian school
3. University of Guadalajara
4. Any US school in Hawaii or Alaska
5. One of those Caribbean schools
6. Anywhere else

The Canadian schools aren't really possible since they prefer Canadians but will accept non-Canadians with really good grades. Very few Americans go because if they can get accepted in Canada they could instead go to a prestigious US school.


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PostSubject: Re: Dr Gupta won't be the Surgeon General   Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:51 pm

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LOL. Not sure what the situation is like there to be honest. Mexico is a lot closer and since I speak Spanish it's more convenient.

My list of most desirable schools (in order)
1. Any US school not in Hawaii or Alaska (I'm not even sure if Alaska has one)
2. Any Canadian school
3. University of Guadalajara
4. Any US school in Hawaii or Alaska
5. One of those Caribbean schools
6. Anywhere else

The Canadian schools aren't really possible since they prefer Canadians but will accept non-Canadians with really good grades. Very few Americans go because if they can get accepted in Canada they could instead go to a prestigious US school.


Mexico is being taken over by gangs and drug cartels


How about Europe or Down Under
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PostSubject: Re: Dr Gupta won't be the Surgeon General   Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:48 am

If not Mexico the only option is the Caribbean. They're super tiny islands with only a few thousand inhabitants. Crime is very low there. It's too bad about Mexico but I'd probably take my chances on it - Guadalajara is not a border town and is a long ways from Mexico City.


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